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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 06:31 pm |
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John in SB and I have this burning obsession that we must have single speed mountain bikes. Don't ask. I have no idea. Must. Have. Singlespeed. Must. Have. Singlespeed. Now.
Um, right.
I got two questions for the assembled brilliance of the Planet Bella.
I wanted to go on down and buy myself a Kona frame to build up and be all Bella-like. But I need a frame with the horizontal drop-out thingy right? Is there a Kona frame with a singlespeed dropout thingy? Or is there some nifty workaround for this?
Second, can I get some shout-outs from some of you who've done some riding on a SS about gear choices. Obviously it's a personal thingy, but I'll get a much better idea from some of you than trying to guess based on what the boys are riding. Because boys have cooties. Yum, cooties.
Any and all suggestions and helpful hints welcome.
Looks like we have a summer project 
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 03:39 am |
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Disclaimer***i am not a singlespeeder.
however, i do know that an eccentric bottom bracket or a singulator, or the perfect gear set up + perfect length chain will get you around the horizontal dropout thingy.
i rode a 36 x 16 once and it was tough. i hear that most ppl in michigan start out with 2 to 1.
that's all i got for ya 
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 03:51 am |
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oh, and one more thing- the kona unit, and unit-29 are the dedicated mountain singlespeeds. i think that kona also makes a steel frame geared bike with horizontal dropouts- maybe the explosif?? this bike could be run either way.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 06:13 am |
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Will have biggity reply for you tomorry.
Can't do right now. Need my beauty sleep.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 03:06 pm |
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thanks woodbridge. lol, i'm guessing the perfect part isn't going to happen here. we'll probably stick to the horizontal drop out thingy. now that i'm looking at it, you're right, the explosif does go the single-speed way. niiice.
and yes, marian, once you've had your beauty sleep? bring it, girl.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 05:22 pm |
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There are a couple of workarounds so that you can make about any frame a singlespeed.
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I think the beauty of a singlespeed is lost that way. My vote would be to get a frame made for singlespeeding. One with horizontal drop outs and either an eccentric bottom bracket or a twisty nut thing in the drop out to adjust the chain.
Do you have an old steel frame you like lying around? Any good welder can make it singlespeedariffic for usually less than $200. My first singlespeed was my Voodoo Bizango that got mauled in a car accident. Post mauling, I had Rick Hunter hook up some horizontal drop outs on it and it gave the bike new life. I called it the Black Fart and raced it in Big Bear back in 99 (ahh...the good ol Big bear days)
When I started ssing...all the boys ran 2:1 and so thats what I put on my bike. Hell no. I kept getting easier and easier gearing until I landed on the gearing I run now. I run a 32x18. A few other women I have talked to run about the same. Except for Stella and she doesn't count. Its the go anywhere gearing. I am sometimes spun out and thats annoying, but hey its a single speed and I would rather that than give myself a hernia or blast out my knees on all the long CA climbs.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 05:56 pm |
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Thanks VB. I was hoping you'd weigh in on the gearing thing, cuz I've ridden with you, so I know where you're coming from. I'd totally rather spin out than die a thousand deaths up every hill. Most appreciated.
Sadly, I don't have any spare dirty bikes. I rode my pre-IF into the ground, and then gave it to a grad student to commute on. LOL, that thing was a piece even before I killed it. After? Forget it. Made my friend happy, though, so that's something.
Looks like I gotta start fresh like in the frame department. Hmm, maybe I should be posting in the classifieds 
Edit, you raced an ss at big bear? ok, that's totally badass. john wants to go ss at the slaughter next year. put me down for a maybe...
Last edited on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 06:00 pm by jeninsb
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 11:24 pm |
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You have tons of options.
If you want to go with one of hte Kona's (they are called the Unit and the UNit 29), keep in mind that they are fully rigid. But it looks like you could put a sus fork on there without radically changing the handling characteristics. This is probably the easiest, just add water option.
If you currently have a bike that you want to run as a single speed, here's a list of things to think about/you might need to purchase:
Rear wheel
Cog
Cranks
Bottom bracket
Rear der/chain tensioner
Chain
Now I've seen all matter of singlespeeders, some a bit more cromulent than others. So if you want to take a geared bike down to a single speeder, figure out if you are going to get a single speed specific wheel.
there are kits available (approx $30 retail) that come with a whole stack of spacers and a single cog that will all slide onto a cassette hub so that you can just use a wheel that you currently have. I've never set one of these up, but I think the main consideration would be your eventual chainline. But, these kits seem to come with a wide variety of spacers so maybe it's not an issue.
If you go the route of the single speeder kit, you may have to use some sort of chain tensioner. Surly makes the Singlator (approx $45 retail) to be used with a 7, 8spd or 3/32nds chain. I know some poeple that have cobbled together a chain tensioner from a rear der and just run the chain through the der for chain tension needs.
Or you can get an White Industries Eno eccentric hub and build a wheel around that so that you don't need a chain tensioner.
I think though that if you know you want to get into this right at full-tilt boogie mode, go ahead and get yourself a dedicated single speed rear wheel.
Cranks and bb: The cranks you get/want depends on budget and prefrences. There's lots out there, I suggest walking into an LBS to see what they have in the Quality Bicycle Components catalogue. The BB that you need will depend in part on your bike and the cranks you want.
I've never project'd a single speeder together myself, so I am sure that there is something missing, but there's the start of the things you have to think about.
(I bought a Bianchi San Jose singlespeed 'cross bike a year ago. I run super low gearing on it because it's my polo/townie/basket bike. 34X17. Gearing wise, I say start at some good 2x1 ratio and fiddle around from there. Everyone's got some gear combo that they will swear by, but not everyone swears by the same gear combo.)
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 11:51 pm |
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Awesome thanks. We, erm I should say John, will buildy-buildy ourselves some ss wheels. LOL, we looked at going the pre-fab unit way, but then we don't get the fun of putting the thing together. Partin' it out? Mo funnah thataway.
Grazie a tutti 
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 01:40 am |
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Hey,
I'm a bit late on this topic but Marian seemed to answer most the questions. If it is something you want to simply try purchase a singulator or single speed tensioner of sorts & I can walk you through a cheap option to try things out.
Saying that having a direct drive (no tensioner) is the best option for single speed. You don't lose anything to mechanics. I'm a big fan of the paragon sliding drops as EBB & horizontal drops both have their down falls... but that's normally for maitenance or long distance type of things.
I've been riding single speed for a few years & have built atleast a hundred between road and mtn for customers/friends. Around the south east I run a 32:18 or 17 on a 26" wheel size. On a 29" I run between a 32:19 or 20 depending where. I've also messed with 33:20 on my 29" and it felt pretty nice.
Hope that helps!!
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 04:35 pm |
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| I ride and race SS rigid (Big Pink) almost exclusively for the past ten years. The simplicity is the charm to me. I recommend a horizontal dropout frame. Eccentric BB's can be a problem if not adjusted properly. Also, if you decide to take the leap, a conversion to horizontals is a better way to go than a singulator. It's just a few bucks more. A flip flop hub is really handy (I run 34 with a 17 and 20 on the rear). Surly also makes single speed duals (17-20 and 16-19) that give you an 'on the fly' option. Picking brakes that adjust easy is a good idea, as that has to be done when you change cogs. I use Paul cantis. Attachment: DSCN2809 2.jpg (Downloaded 58 times)
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Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2007 07:46 pm |
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so pretty, and so FUN.
I finished MN State CX championships on this bike.
'tanks to baba
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